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June 15, 2026 by Betsy Bird

Fuse 8 n’ Kate: Frog and Toad Together by Arnold Lobel

June 15, 2026 by Betsy Bird   4 comments

It’s PRIDE MONTH!!! And we’ve done many a fine LGBTQIA+ book during the year, sure we have. Yet this book series, while not considered queer during its initial publication, has since been embraced by the gay community and, as such, we seek to celebrate it here today. Of all the Frog and Toad books in the series (there are four) this was the only one to garner a Newbery Honor (NOT a Caldecott… and isn’t that interesting?). Today, you will witness a veritable plethora of fantastic videos celebrating this book (there will be ninjas). In the course of things Kate also determines that, “I am Toad.” Ain’t we all, kid? We discuss how Toad falls on the autism spectrum and which story is the one I love best of all.

Listen to the whole show here on Soundcloud or download it through iTunes, Stitcher, Spotify, Google Play, PlayerFM, Audible, Amazon Music, or your preferred method of podcast selection.

Show Notes:

For the record, I stand by the Frog and Toad musical, A Year With Frog and Toad. It was nominated for THREE Tonys in 2003. You can find all the possible info you might want about it here.

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I highly recommend that you read this New York Times article Arnold Lobel and Friends, which is utterly delightful in every possible way.

Port!

Let us note that “Go Home” is NOT one of the things to do that day. Mmm hmm.

“Are they goat creepy? No? Then that’s good.” I am referring, of course, to the fact that I am very grateful that the pupils in Frog and Toad’s eyes are horizontal, and yet, NOT creepy. Unlike some animals.

If frogs and toads cannot eat chocolate, would it be reasonable to assume that these are cricket flour cookies with flies? Methinks, absolutely.

Kate argues that this is a marvelous example of the very first steps someone takes when testing their bravery when it comes to coming out.

Interestingly, of all the Frog and Toad stories that I remember as a child, this stands out. Something about the eerie tone.

Meet the amphibian Liberace, everyone!

Clearly the Newbery committee thought it was okay, but could you just say “Shut up!” in an easy book/early chapter book today? It’s rare, I’ll say that much.

I make mention of a couple 90-Second Newbery Film Festival versions of these stories. Two from this book come immediately to mind. Enjoy!

And I totally forgot about this one:

We happen to mention that one of our listeners (Christina Hoover Moorhead) sent us a very rare photographic image of illustrator Harriet Pincus. Behold!

Kate Recommends: Fackham Hall (sorta)

Betsy Recommends: The Bride

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About Betsy Bird

Betsy Bird is currently the Collection Development Manager of the Evanston Public Library system and a former Materials Specialist for New York Public Library. She has served on Newbery, written for Kirkus, and has done other lovely little things that she'd love to tell you about but that she's sure you'd find more interesting to hear of in person. Her opinions are her own and do not reflect those of EPL, SLJ, or any of the other acronyms you might be able to name. Follow her on BlueSky at: @fuse8.bsky.social

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About Betsy Bird

Betsy Bird is currently the Collection Development Manager of the Evanston Public Library system and a former Materials Specialist for New York Public Library. She has served on Newbery, written for Kirkus, and has done other lovely little things that she'd love to tell you about but that she's sure you'd find more interesting to hear of in person. Her opinions are her own and do not reflect those of EPL, SLJ, or any of the other acronyms you might be able to name. Follow her on BlueSky at: @fuse8.bsky.social

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  1. rockinlibrarian says

    June 15, 2026 at 6:21 pm

    I will do you one better, “Cookies” is not just my favorite short story in children’s literature, I’m pretty sure it’s my favorite short story, period. It’s just SO PERFECT. And also relateable. “The List” is definitely my second favorite at least in this book, and I’m thinking maybe it’s because I’m AuDHD, and my ADHD side relates too well to “Cookies” and my autistic side to “The List,” and the ADHD is a little stronger XD.

    While back to school shopping a couple years ago my teen saw a Frog and Toad t-shirt and pointed it out to me– and then I saw that it wasn’t just ANY Frog and Toad t-shirt, it was a page from “Cookies,” so naturally I HAD to buy that one thing for MYSELF back to school shopping, too…!

    • Betsy Bird says

      June 16, 2026 at 9:29 pm

      Welp, I’m reading THAT on the next recording. And personally I agree with you 100%

  2. Jerrold Connors says

    June 16, 2026 at 8:29 pm

    Is this the quote you’re looking for? I found it in an old blog post by Jon Klassen titled “I found a pdf of an old interview with Arnold Lobel” (insert Inception theme music).

    There isn’t much published criticism about my work. Publishers are not very good about getting journal material to the author. Reviewing of children’s books is almost nonexistent in the popular media, except for Christmas. And I find that in the library organs, often the quality of the reviewing is appallingly superficial. I would prefer an intelligent bad review. The most obvious is missed. You’ve worked long to create something, and they say, “Mr. Lobel’s watercolors are very charming.” This is not reviewing.

    https://jonklassen.blogspot.com/2012/11/i-found-pdf-of-old-interview-with-arnol.html

    • Betsy Bird says

      June 16, 2026 at 9:27 pm

      YOU FOUND IT! I thank you, sir.

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